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21 April 2010 @ 09:42 pm
5.18 Point Of No Return: When Push Shoves, You’ll Make The Right Choice  
5.18 Point Of No Return: When Push Shoves, You’ll Make The Right Choice
Zach brings Adam back:
Bait to push Dean to say yes.
Dean can’t let Sam down. 
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chiiyo86chiiyo86 on April 22nd, 2010 02:30 pm (UTC)
Very nice look on the changes in the brothers' faith in each other. I treasure your ability to present both their thinking in a rational and compassionate way - this a rare and valuable thing in fandom these days!

I disagree, though, with the way you explain how Castiel knew about Adam's resurection. In my opinion, he wasn't warned by anyone, but just felt it, like a "disturbance in the Force" if you want. I was surprised when I saw people wondering who had warned Castiel. But then, maybe it's just my hope that God won't be involved more talking!

Although Uriel told Castiel in On The Head Of A Pin that only an angel could kill another angel, I always had my doubts about the truth of that statement.

Yes, me too. Unless someone other than Uriel say it, I won't believe it, because why Uriel would be the only one aware of this? And I think it suits Uriel's way of thinking to believe that, his arrogance and belief in the superioty of angels - he would have been horrified at the suggestion that mere humans could kill angels!

I liked how Adam was different than ghoul!Adam. I hope we see him again, he could be an interesting character. And I will miss Kurt Fuller - what an awesome bad guy Zachariah was!
themonkeytwinthemonkeytwin on April 22nd, 2010 05:06 pm (UTC)
"Like a million voices, crying out in terror, were suddenly silenced..."

\o/ Great minds ;)

I think the writers want God out of it as much as possible. They opened that box the moment they introduced angels, and have spent nearly two seasons trying to close it again. Now that they've definitively succeeded, I don't think they're lightly going to bring him back in if they can possibly avoid it. God messes up the story.
chiiyo86chiiyo86 on April 22nd, 2010 09:23 pm (UTC)
"Like a million voices, crying out in terror, were suddenly silenced..."

Hee. Great minds, indeed. :)

I think you're right about God. I don't think the writers have any religious message of the "God is watching out for you" nature to pass, and if they don't then God is a little too much... well, deux ex machina. I wasn't very happy about having angels in the story at first, but it got us Castiel so.
mteemtee on April 22nd, 2010 03:48 pm (UTC)
Excellent. I always love your reviews. This one was spot on.

To me, JA's oh so subtle flash of emotion/ephiphany/resolve was amazing. So much said.. but with such microscopic expressions. He amazes.

JP was so calm and decisive. I like this Sam. This is intelligent, mature, wise Sam.

Great ep and great review.
Magpie: WWSMD?sistermagpie on April 22nd, 2010 06:49 pm (UTC)
Wow, this was such a great read. Nothing like an excellent breakdown of a great (imo) ep. I never even though about the significance of Castiel picking up a warning about Adam but I think you're right there is some significance there. I do agree with the commenter above about the fan service, though. Both those lines seemed pretty in character for the show, even while I could hear the squeeing it would get from the audience.

Thanks for writing this!
(Anonymous) on April 23rd, 2010 03:15 am (UTC)
Oh YES, this is magnificent and you are brilliant, thank you so much!! I agree with every single word about Dean and Sam, it was beautifully painful to read, but it was a pure delight. I’m in awe of your talent, Mary!
And this is exactly what I said right after the episode - it was a miracle. It was Faith that makes miracles happen. And what Dean and Sam find in each other are reasons to believe. This is my show!

It's funny that you mention slash fan service bits, I thought I was the only one who noticed that. But, honestly, I have no problems with them, though I agree that they were inserted just to be funny fan service, they still seemed fitting to me.

You have a beautiful theory about God, but I have to agree with chiiyo86, I think Cass wasn't warned by anyone, he just felt it simply because he is an angel and he still has some kind of connection with this whole… celestial world.

In my turn, I’m surprised by how many people wonder why Dean was able to look Zachariah in the eyes when his shining true form poured out of the body. It raised so many weird guesses!..
I take it as proof that Dean, being an angel’s vessel, CAN perceive their true visage, like Jimmy and John and apparently even Adam as John’s son could. Dean couldn’t hear Castiel in Lazarus Rising, but, as you noticed, Jimmy couldn't bear Castiel the first time he approached either. So I believe this is it.

yourlibrarianyourlibrarian on April 23rd, 2010 04:27 am (UTC)
Nice recapping of how Sam and Dean got to this point. I also thought what you said about Castiel's cue to retrieve Adam interesting in that it seemed to cause him pain -- which would appear odd in any kind of normal angelic communication. Although there's a growing amount of stuff surrounding Castiel that lacks explanation.

After his complete disillusionment by Zachariah, I think it unlikely that Adam would agree to host Michael – he has the Winchester stubbornness and rebellious streak in full measure – unless Michael managed some major fence-mending, but all we can do is wait and see.

I would agree, only I thought it pretty out of character that the famously stubborn John Winchester would, within the space of a minute, accede to being a vessel in Song. And he, also, was apparently able to look at Michael much as Adam seemed to.
(Anonymous) on April 23rd, 2010 06:52 pm (UTC)
"I thought it pretty out of character that the famously stubborn John Winchester..."

The very same John Winchester who not only handed over the colt but his life to YED in return for his son in 2.01? An event he had been planning from the moment he woke up in the hospital. If anything John's MO has always been family first, if a member is in trouble he'll do whatever it takes and give up whatever he has to to protect them. I'd say that moment was perfectly in character.

yourlibrarianyourlibrarian on April 23rd, 2010 11:12 pm (UTC)
I think the difference in 2.01 though, is that John knows what's going on. He knows who he is dealing with, he knows what the stakes are, and it's a calculated move on his part. This is very different from a John Winchester who has just found out about angels and demons, and knows he is being hunted by an angel, and then just gives himself over to one in moments.

I mean, that anyone would agree to be a vessel so quickly isn't something we've see in the series before. And for it to be him, yeah, strikes me as off.
Weirder things have happened: kiddylucid_babbles on April 24th, 2010 06:37 am (UTC)
It's a wonderful, thorough assessment of the episode:)

I do agree that the acknowledgement of the fans is getting a bit tired: insertion of wincest gags and all that. While it's true, the producers shouldn't play on it so much.
and then we lit it on fireelectricalgwen on April 24th, 2010 10:29 am (UTC)
Yes. To all of it. <3
nina_nicky: soundtracknina_nicky on April 25th, 2010 06:01 am (UTC)
(here via spnnewsletter)

Hey, I don't usually comment on strangers' journals, but your meta is amazing. There is SO MUCH in there that had me nodding along. Just awesome. So I thought I'd let you know. :)

Uhm, I put a link to this entry of yours in an episode review post on Beyond Salvation. I hope you don't mind.
zofia27: Blinkzofia27 on April 28th, 2010 02:04 am (UTC)
Yes to everything you wrote Professor!

This episode had so much in it and you connected the threads beautifully. This was a wonderful 100th episode for an awesome show. With a wink Dean let us know that the Winchester Brothers were back.