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28 April 2009 @ 11:30 pm
4.19 Jump The Shark: Take It Any Way You Want  
4.19 Jump The Shark: Take It Any Way You Want

John had one more son,
Hidden, normal, loved and safe;
Murdered for revenge.

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My apologies for how late this is: I was sick for part of the weekend, and it's kinda hard to type when you're curled up on the floor feeling rotten! All better now, though!

Current Mood: tiredtired
Current Music: "He's No Hero" by Brian McFadden
supernaturalro_rip1009supernaturalro on April 30th, 2009 10:49 am (UTC)
congratulations for an amazing review
I've been reading your work some time now , like most of us fans from Romania. what is there left to say? you said everything in this review and you said very well. I've started also witting reviews for episodes of "Supernatural" inspired by you. thank you again for being such an amazing mentor for me.


bardicvoice: Background brother by <lj user=janglyjewbardicvoice on May 5th, 2009 02:54 am (UTC)
Re: congratulations for an amazing review
Thank YOU! I'm delighted to hear that you're writing reviews, and humbled that you credit me - I'm honored! And I'm delighted that the love for this show is so universal that we can talk about it across the world and find fans everywhere!

Hugs right on back, Raluca! I'm Mary, by the way. :)
immie_8immie_8 on May 3rd, 2009 09:07 pm (UTC)
Good Evening Professor,

*sigh* While some people run on Bardic Time, it would seem like I run on "life is too busy (and my mom can't stand when I spend time on the boards so we always seem to get into fights)" time. I'm hoping that now that I'm graduated (finally), that she and I will be able to work something out. I've missed coming on to your blog and commenting with everyone so much, it's not funny! Man, it feels SO good to be back!

Firstly, thank you SO much for this meta. After watching this episode I was so angry at John, and thereby angry that the episode made me feel that way, that I was really quite put off by it. But after reading your review and all of the parallels you've explored, I think I can safely say that I'll be able to rewatch this episode, and even if I don't enjoy it, I'll definately be able to appreciate, and how it helped the show to grow - grow in ways that I'd always hoped it would, even if the path wasn't the one I expected (or wanted) it to take.

Now, on to the episode. Dean - what can I say except for the fact that I loved Dean in this episode. All the sides of Dean that I cherish and adore most were front and centre in Jump the Shark. From the self-sacrificing protector (any scene that invovled Dean wanting to protect Adam from the "truth", to the empathic hunter (Dean at the bar with Joe's wife), I think it's safe to say that Dean has gotten himself back up on his feet and is now better than ever.

From the beginning of the series, we’ve seen Dean gradually reevaluating his father and his relationship with him, and slowly emerging with much sorrow and pain as his own man. He’s steadily lost his illusions, and while he hasn’t yet come to appreciate his own value independent of his perceptions of John’s scales of judgment, he’s developed the ability finally to see John’s flaws clearly, let himself be angry about them, and still love him unreservedly despite them.

Watching Dean finally come to lose some of the last illusions he had of his father, and seeing him accept John for the flawed human that he was, was both thrilling and heartbreaking at the same time. Thrilling because I, like you, am hoping that this will help Dean see his own value, rather than continually trying to measure himself against his once perfect hero, John, and heartbreaking because of how much this, and the revelation that John had another secret life, playing daddy to another son, hurt Dean. Dean who gave everything for his family, having to discover that John took the time to actually be a PARENT to another child was just so upsetting and heartbreaking that I felt like strangling John. Like you, I think I'm most angry about John lying to Dean. But I also have to admit at being angry that John never thought, in the three or four years he had with Adam, that Dean might have wanted to spend time with his father, simply as a father and son. He wouldn't have even have had to tell Dean about Adam, but just a small gesture here and there, would have done wonders, IMO.

immie_8immie_8 on May 3rd, 2009 09:07 pm (UTC)
Post continued
John was in a hard place. I do wish he'd seen his oldest son with clearer eyes in regard to what would hurt him, though.

*sigh* I guess overall, I'm just really disappointed in John, and his short-sightedness with regards to Dean.

I think that both always did appreciate Dean; I just think that neither necessarily realized exactly how he felt, because Dean was always gifted at using humor or disparagement to turn aside any outside exploration of his feelings.

A part of me says that this is the case, but a part of me also says (as I've said before) that, deep down, John (and now Sam) were just lying about what Dean actually needed in order to soothe his own conscience. While forcing a four-year-old child to grow into an adult, I'm sure that John told himself that it was for the best, that it was better that Dean knew the truth so that he wouldn't be caught off-guard and so that he could protect himself; and while I'm sure this was partially true, IMO, it grew less and less true as revenge became more and more important in John's life. (Funnily enough, what Sam said about Adam, was, IMO, exactly how John viewed his boys when he decided to train them to be hunters, and cut them off from normalcy.) And the scary thing now, is that, not only is Sam lying to himself about what Dean needs from him (hint, Sam, it's not you sneaking around in the middle of the night), but he's using Dean as a reason to continue doing what he's been doing (TMATEOTB).

At the same time, however, he’s also finally come to see Sam as a man, not as the image he’s always held in his mind of his beloved kid brother, and Sam the man is as hardened and scarred and damaged as John was. The little brother who loved him and looked up to him seems very far removed from the tall, hulking stranger who, taking a page from John’s book, hides himself in lies even to those closest to him and treats information on a need to know basis that no one but himself needs to know.

And watching him finally admitting what he’d realized about Sam’s mirror to John was pure grief.

If I NEVER hear/see Sam quoting John again (unless it's to admit to Dean how he's fallen short), it won't be too soon. Hearing Sam so coldly tell Adam to cut everything and everyone out of his life shook me to the core, and has made me really worry about how far Sam has fallen. And the thought of Sam becoming "what he eats" is just too scary for me to consider. In the end, though, like with John, I truly believe that Dean will be Sam's salvation, and that together they'll find a way to stop the apocalypse, win the war, and (like in your haiku) will ride off into the sunset, just as we've seen so many times before: triumphant, and stronger, having learned more about themselves and each other from the experience.

A huge part of that is also being able to face your shame.

Great point, impulsiveanswer, ITA. And, ITA, with your response, Mary!

Wow, I'm sorry for rambling, Mary, but this episode just brought out so much in me and, I've been itching to join in since I had to stop coming a while ago. Unfortunately, I'm going to miss the last three episode (I'm on vacation - so I guess it's not a total loss...LOL!), but I hope to be hear joining you when I get back at the end of May.

Take care all,


bardicvoice: Background brother by <lj user=janglyjewbardicvoice on May 5th, 2009 03:04 am (UTC)
Re: Post continued
Never apologize for rambling, my dear - you're still waaaaay shorter on that rambling thing than I am!

In the end, though, like with John, I truly believe that Dean will be Sam's salvation, and that together they'll find a way to stop the apocalypse, win the war, and (like in your haiku) will ride off into the sunset, just as we've seen so many times before: triumphant, and stronger, having learned more about themselves and each other from the experience.

From your keyboard to Kripke's ears, my dear!!

Enjoy your vacation, and remember - you'll be timely whenever you arrive back here!
bardicvoice: Background brother by <lj user=janglyjewbardicvoice on May 5th, 2009 03:01 am (UTC)
Immie! Good to see you, no matter when you can make it! And no one's ever late to class at Supernatural University: that will never change. (The prof may be late in getting back to people with responses to comments, but students leaving comments are ALWAYS timely!)

Congratulations on graduating, by the way!

I'm glad that my review has helped you get over anger and come to appreciation; the show deserves it. And maybe I'll manage a piece of fanfic one of these days to help you a bit more in terms of the John/Dean relationship.

One of the things I really love is that, no matter how much Dean has come to realize and admit his father's flaws, he still loves John with all his heart, and if he saw him again, he'd hug him as unreservedly as he did in Shadow. Oh, he might finally give him a piece of his mind over a beer, too, but the hug would come first.

And Dean picking himself up was a joy to see. I just hope that the rest of what he has to face doesn't erode the sense of himself that he's finally begun to recover.
immie_8immie_8 on May 5th, 2009 06:53 pm (UTC)
Thanks, I'm so happy to be done (for now)!

As for that fanfic, I do hope that one day you'll manage, because, I just love your fics - whether they be happy or sad, they always tug on my heartstrings!

Take care,
hpaahpaa on May 4th, 2009 06:37 pm (UTC)
I just came across your reviews for SPN and love them. I hope you dont mind that I friended you, I just wanted to keep up with any more revirews/metas.
bardicvoice: Background brother by <lj user=janglyjewbardicvoice on May 5th, 2009 02:15 am (UTC)
Happy to have you along for the ride! You might have noticed that I'm really slooooow on getting around to responding to comments; my real life has just gone crazy busy. But I'm very glad you're enjoying the reviews, and I don't at all mind being friended - I'm honored! Thank you!
borgmama1of5borgmama1of5 on August 21st, 2013 03:03 am (UTC)
First time I came across this, from the link on your "family" post...I wish I had the time to go back and watch every episode and read your corresponding analysis! Or that there was a way to collect all of them so that someday I can do that!